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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 7, 2007 10:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: *

wow - that sucks

and a very apropos subject title - nice (lol)

what a fuckin joke that guy is - thanks for the update though - i didnt hear the news yet - sad day in baseball

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Aug 8, 2007 1:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: *

Your hero killed himself with junk food, cigarettes, booze, and a heroin habit. DeadHeads bitching about a pill popping baseball player is a big joke. You're HYPOCRITES.

You're beginning to sound just like those white racists in the Republican News Channel's Rotten Apple studios. Those FOX honkeys go on and on about a Black man. They don't dare mention, that a white trash pitcher who gave up home run number 755, was busted for using steroids in the minors and suspended for several weeks in recent years.

Where were you guys; when white trash hero Mark McGwirre was popping his damned CREATINE steroid pills in 1998? all that mattered were his record of 70 home runs in season. and the brainless used car dealer turned baseball commissioner didn't do shit then either. Bud Selig just sat back, raked in the money and watched his wealthy junkies hit a record number of baseballs over a fence.

Those who smoke pot, eat mushrooms, drop acid and play with tanks of nitrous oxide are the last ones to complain about high flying jocks. Save the pissing for ESPN's homepage...

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Poster: Street Pig Date: Aug 8, 2007 12:53pm
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"Save the pissing for ESPN's homepage...">good advie for yourself dude.

Jer wasn't perfect he knew his demons and didn't deny his love/hate relationship with substances, at least he wasn't deceiving the zillion of "jerry Kids" as Bonds has with the inordinate amoung of youngsters who cherrish and look up to him as a hero!?



My hero died on the cross, His name was and is and always be Jesus Christ, lets take are eyes off of man and focus on the perfect one

This post was modified by Street Pig on 2007-08-08 19:53:55

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Aug 8, 2007 5:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: *

To cousinkix:

That might be the stupidest, most ignorant, and completely beside-the-point post i've seen here in a long time, and that's saying something.

1) Garcia wasn't breaking any long-held records by taking performance enhancing drugs, knocking a legitimate record-holder from his rightful place on the throne in doing so. The drugs and demons in Jerry's life have nothing to do w/why Deadheads love him--we love him for the music he produced, and btw, good luck trying to find a musician of much worth in the past 40 years who hasn't succumbed to some level of alcohol and/or drug abuse. Unless your musical hero is Donny Osmond--and I suspect yours might be--you're SOL on that one.

2) The race card? Please. As has already been pointed out, Bonds is reviled by those who know and respect baseball in large part because his fraudulent record comes at the expense of a black man who suffered some of the worst racist indignities the U.S. had to offer, and Bonds' cavalier cheating in the face of the grace and fortitude Aaron showed during those most difficult times is a horrible slap in the face. That Bonds routinely spoke of the "racist media" who dared question what anyone with the brains God gave geese could see was obvious steroid use--as he sits in front of his private large screen TV and leather lounge chair in the sectioned-off luxury sector of the Giants' clubhouse--would be laughabe were it not so transparently cynical and disgusting.

3) Myself and anyone else who cares about baseball were every bit as appalled at McGwire, Palmero, and every other cheater who pumped themselves full of this crap and rendered HR records meaningless for decades to come. Had mcGwire been on the edge of 756 I'd be just as disgusted as I am today that Bonds is the one cheapening a great record. It just so happens Bonds is the one breaking the record.

Whatever your beef with Deadheads is, you've got a forum to express it...but at least make an argument that makes sense...not one that comes from a complete non-sequitor and reveals you know little about baseball, race relations, or music.

This post was modified by grendelschoice on 2007-08-08 12:34:30

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Aug 8, 2007 5:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: *

Ah: a friendly debate. So, 2 pennies. Bonds hasn't been found guilty--not that he isn't--so hold the remarks until the investigation is over. Sure, I think he doped up, but let's let the powers that be do their job and strip him if need be.
Steroids are old new is sports and are responsible for dozens of olympic gold medals (think east german), records, etc. The issue should be about fixing the problem, not harping on its poster boy of the week. Howz about Lance in the pants Armstrong? Yeah, right.

It's a shame and a blemish on modern sports, and it's a horrible example to set for our kids. It's an unacceptable practice. But so little is actually done. They could have tested McGuire and Bonds when they broke the single season records. They did not.
Moving on:

Garcia's drug addiction came from three things: kicks, addictive personality, and a desire to play better. He said many times that certain drugs enhanced his creativity. And you can hear the coke an Persian in his playing. Not to mention the LSD. Yet, thousands of naive fans failed to notice this, and tens of thousands looked the other way or discussed it as a joke. It wasn't. ANd Garcia, like so many other musicians (Kurt Cobain comes to mind) are, like it or not, role models as much as Bonds is. Okay, maybe we don't expect as much from musicians; we're used to connecting drugs with the jazz and rock scenes. But that doesn't make it right.

Demons? Yep, Jerry had plenty of those. But does that let him off the hook? Nope. You will argue that Jerry needed his drugs, that Jerry was different, that Jerry wasn't hitting home runs--but isn't that what you were waiting for all those nights? Hit one out, Jer!!!!!!

Drugs are drugs, and anyone who takes them is subject to scrutiny. Bonds is wrong, but he had his own demons. Jerry was wrong as well. I wonder how many kids got behind coke and smack because their hero did? Ridin' that train/high on cocaine--that's what I would hum with every tortured and twisted line I put up my nose. Jerry makes it seem all so cool.

Love the sinner, hate the sin.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Aug 8, 2007 9:14am
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Let me enlighten you "cousin"....America is a forgiving lot. say your sorry and we immedaitely forget. When McGuire went after Maris' record he was a jerk. Short with the media, stressing, ect. Nobody thought he could do it because he was gripping. After the all star break someone got to him and said "lighten up". You then saw the guy who was joking with the press, high fiving sosa if he hit one out and we got to know his ex wife and kid. That's why we rallied behind him. We also threw him under a bus when he pulled that nonsense in front of gongress. And the writers did as well by not electing him to the hall.

For your man Bonds, he is a pompous ass. Plain and simple. He knocks up porn stars, doesn't pay his taxes, uses his kid as a human sheild when the press asks tough questions, hates/alienates his teamates, needs his own barcalounger in the club house. Do I need to go on? I'm suppose to root for this guy? Did you notice I had not even mentioned steroids? I'm sure you can point out 100 different examples of racism in sports, but this aint one of them.

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Poster: JamminJerome Date: Aug 8, 2007 3:26am
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Where the F*** did that come from? Maybe I'm just speaking for myself, but I don't particularly like any baseball player who has done steroids, McGwire included. The racist card is absolutely f***ing ridiculous. Hank Aaron, the great man who previously held the record was black. He was highly deserving of his title. Bonds is not. There are plenty of people of all different races that I would not have minded passing the record. Ken Griffey Jr, for example, or Alex Rodriguez. But not the steriod freaks like Bonds, Sammy Sosa, or Mark McGwire.

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Poster: HiRoller Date: Aug 8, 2007 2:02am
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What?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 8, 2007 6:03am
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wow man, sorry for making a comment

and it wasnt even one of my diatribes